Response to Ken Huber and What Has America Become

This leditor has been going around the right-wing email circuit, and I wanted to briefly address each of Mr. Huber's comments... (If this isn't big enough to read, you can see most of it in excerpt below.)





Ken Huber has some good points but his timeline seems to be confused...


"Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?"


Yes, when we seceded from the union (with Britain)... We have been such ever since, regardless of who has been paying attention.


"Lets see, if we lie to the Congress, it's a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics."


Correct. This is because we don't require Congressmen to swear an oath every time they speak. Regular people lie all the time and it's not a felony. You're forgetting that Congressmen are just regular people going to work, and you seem to be under the impression that they were all completely truthful at one point..?


"If we dislike a black person, we're racist and if a black person dislikes whites, it's their 1st Amendment right."


Both of these things are racist and both of them are 1st amendment rights. There wouldn't be a constitution guaranteeing you the freedom to be a perfect person, this document would be unnecessary. BTW, if certain people give African Americans a pass for being racially ignorant, it's because the American double standard has shafted them historically harder than other groups, and perhaps they actually have a tiny reason to dislike us.


"The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims."


My imagination isn't potent enough to fathom what it's like to have my life so far into the gutter that robbing a liquor store seems like a good idea... The sad truth of the matter is that we don't all share the same morals, intelligence, work ethic, education, psychological health, etc. etc. But if one of our worst hypocrisies as a nation is that we attempt to turn criminals into decent people.... I guess this doesn't enrage me as much as it should.


"In public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process."


But we teach that God is okay. In one form or another we all learned about the religious freedom of America, we're just not allowed to tell kids they have to believe in God anymore than we tell them they have to be homosexuals. How is this inconsistent?


"You can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer."


I don't think mass murderers have as good of a reputation as you presume. Also, unborn children are generally thought more highly of than "it's okay to kill them". But the reason it's LEGAL to kill them is one of the unfortunate results of a complicated society filled with contrasting world-views. You've had this discussion I'm sure.


"We don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them."


This is a somewhat alarming complaint, and I'm hoping it's just the poetic linguistics of a traditional-minded fellow. If not, let me address it quickly. Knowledge is a constantly evolving thing. What makes a book written in 1999 more valid than a similar book written in 2010? Because it was here first? If the most effective form of chemotherapy has changed over the last ten years, should the texts on chemo not be updated? And the reason we don't burn the old volumes is because they may be useful for reference. When it comes to knowledge, less is not more.


"We got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive."


The claim seems to be that language is being strategically used to affect attitudes. I can do that too. Progress is being slowed down by people renaming it the Socialist Threat. Congratulations, you're a politician.


"We are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea."


I agree that we're spending too much money on foreign defense, although I think this one has something to do with your Communist Threat.


"If you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right."


Seriously? You got called a terrorist for peacefully protesting? That seems extreme.


"You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas."


This is perfectly consistent: you can have a nativity scene at home and you can't have pornography in a public park. What's the argument here? And just a side note, there is such a thing as non-sexual pornography, and the idea of a living manger out-front the capitol building is probably certain peoples' little blue pill.


"We have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people."


Huh? I think this is more rhetorical gymnastics. If the core of this statement is that you don't like the empathy that is given to people who break the law, then I don't know what to tell ya. They still go to jail, and their lives are still probably more or less empty. If you're mad that they're still treated like human beings then I can't really help ya on this one.


"We can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal."


They're not live fetuses being used for research. Again, I can appreciate the anti-abortion sentiment, as I think many people can, but there's something not-so-sacred about incest-rape. Additionally, I don't think the average liberal American has a problem with using rats to cure cancer. Certain folks don't want animals mutated to test our style products. Don't confuse a vocal minority for a majority.


"We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work"


Literally speaking, this is probably way less common than you'd expect. Do you think the average beneficiary of unemployment really WANTS to pad their resume with years of wellfare? Maybe some, but the bigger social issue here is that unexceptional people are having too many babies, creating large quantities of unexceptional citizens.


"We all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology."


Good point, this is also nothing new.


"We still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct."


False. Politically incorrect people still have freedom of speech, they just don't like having to deal with the non-legal consequences of their words. You can lose your job for something you say, but you're forgetting that a job is a privilege, not a constitutional right.


"Parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games."


Once again, too many unexceptional parents.


"The land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs."


Vote.



"The similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help."


Fair enough.


And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.


Duh.


"What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?"


This is from a song. There are still brave people and free people living here. But the reason those lyrics are popular in song form instead of document form is because they're intended to get you emotive about a vague concept, rather than particular about specific concepts. To ask "What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?" is to ask a rhetorical question for the purpose of making a broad statement: "I don't like the way my country is behaving as of late". But the hypocrisies that you're dealing with here are remarkably consistent with the hypocrisies we've always had. The only difference LATELY is that your fellow voters have been disagreeing with you about the details. You're mad at your government but the folks you should really be mad at are the voters who have a different outlook than you.


What you're probably MOST upset about, is that non-religious people have different values than the faithful. You are unable to see religious dogma as subjective truth. And I don't blame you, because what use would religion be if it WAS seen as subjective? I don't know how to help you reconcile this, other than to tell you to keep on voting and hope for the best. Progress and entropy are more or less two sides to the same coin. One of these (entropy) is inevitable by definition. If that's the idiom you subscribe to, then we're already doomed. If you see social movement as progress, then this is NOT inevitable, and there's hope for you. Only problem becomes dealing with the reality that you're rooting against progress. You can look at the public moving away from religion, towards humanism and see it as entropy or progress. But you can't call it neither. Or, shouldn't.


My friend, you're a man without a nation, and this is going to sound odd and strangely anti-American to say, but if this stuff is really important to you, you're best bet is to join the Tea Party and start planning which mesoamerican states are going to be fenced off for the REAL America to begin. Only awkward thing is that you're going to lose the name America and the songs and flags... Can you reconcile fighting for your secession (which you WILL win, because if there's one thing your Tea Party friends will have, it's lots of guns--and if there's one thing godless neo-liberals don't have, it's willingness to fight and die for anything) when after the dust settles, you'll have your perfect set of small-government laws but a less traditional flag to wave, different songs to learn, and a whole new set of patriots to start idolizing? Boy it's gonna be wistfull, but at least things will be back to the way they.... (were?)

Comments

Christopher said…
Booyah.
Alfonso said…
This has nothing to do with the article or response but... What the hell is "Booyah?"
Dr. Carey said…
Booyah is a colloquial response to a feat of impressive athletic success, such as a slam-dunk. In this case, a form of flattery from Christopher.

(Also, you're question has very much a lot to do with the response to the article!)
mobias said…
I saw this recent spam email article, and was thinking to myself much of the same things in response to the person who sent it to me. While I agree with most of what you say here, as a godless-neo liberal [but mostly somewhere in the middle depending on issue] I would whole-heartedly disagree with your statement "and if there's one thing godless neo-liberals don't have, it's willingness to fight and die for anything" -That is rather a broad, unfair, if not arguably inaccurate designation...I'm sure I could look up many, many civil rights movements alone where people gave their lives to a cause…and as a member of the military myself [part-time] I can also vouch with some authority that [though we may be out-numbered] there IS a large amount of active duty and citizen soldiers [reserves] whom also don't follow a particular religious doctrine...and yet we also die alongside our pious brethren the same- for perhaps different ideals and causes. Some misguided, and [I agree] naive, but some for the simple sake of wishing to serve to protect our citizens from danger.

The other thing I would caution on presuming is that all change and shift in values are automatically a positive “progress”. While I do see many changes as progress, change doesn’t necessarily mean it is all for the better! The rise and fall of empires are there in the books to learn from, if only humans weren’t such self-serving, forgetful creatures only concerned with the now; and the only drive- from desire to accumulate ever more material possessions and wealth.
W. Miller said…
I believe Ken H was trying to wake up America. The rebuttal of his article tells me that the person who wrote it is a " know it all" maybe even getting a hand our from our Give Away President and wants to keep thing on an even keel.
Anonymous said…
W. Miller, why is it that when somebody writes an intelligent, well-worded response, they are criticized for being a so-called "know it all"? Was his language too sophisticated for you? Furthermore, I'd really like to know what your assumption that the author of this rebuttal "getting a hand from our Give Away President" is based on, because I certainly don't see any indication of it. Quite frankly, I think that Ken H is a typical conservative whiner, and most of the stuff he said was either completely false and inaccurate, or could easily be answered from the opposite perspective, for example; "If you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right." I seem to recall that during the Bush administration, especially after 9/11, to criticize or question our precious President was met with shrill cries of "Traitor! Terrorist! Un-American!" And so on. What short memories Americans have!
Anonymous said…
Short memories?!?!? The liberal, I'm sorry, progressives, do nothing, absolutely nothing but pull apart articles like Kens. Like you have. Being a conservative is a bad thing? Keeping most of the money you make instead of getting crushed by taxes to support those who don't work is what you think is right? I shut my business down because of health care for employees cost, higher fees if I didn't ensure them. Owning a business is not what it used to be. There are tons like me who did the same thing. Costing jobs for many. Without entrepreneurs this country relies on big business and that is what he (Barry) wants that fits those government special interests. Ken hit every nail on the head without smacking his thumb. Left or right it doesn't matter. Republican or Democrats are all to blame. The government does give handouts to the fullest, taxes a person to much, does NOT support the retired military until it is too late, and does not do much except work for re-election and their own special interest. Obama is the reason people have expectations of handouts and not needing to work because he is just that, a progressive, or better yet, a socialist. People are used to those handouts and continue to vote for people who give those handouts. Why? Because if they don't vote for them it goes away! Lib.
Barry said…
Nothing wrong with being conservative. However, rehashing irreconcilable points of view that do not and will not ever align with archly-religious fundamentalism rarely seems to be productive. Rather than using the term 'conservative', diatribes against moderate politics, moderate religious views, moderate accommodations t0 gender issues, etc..... pulls us back to Victorian insensibilities. That's not conservative....it's regressive.
Anonymous said…
For the last 7.5 years, obozo has been a DISASTER. The non-leader used the word "change" in his campaign. The gamboni has ensured there is change. As long as it is HIS, repeat, HIS changes, saying BS to "GOVERNING FOR THE PEOPLE". Instead, the loon has been "DICTATING TO THE PEOPLE", and using executive actions. And the now obozocized libetard non-supreme court, has the same anything goes unconstitutional mentality as the KKK, except they wear black robes, and when these pos act, there is no recourse. The merchant of mayhem obozo's legacy...an America worse off than it was when he took office, with Christians being persecuted, and moral values down the toilet. And if hill the shrill libetard clintscum gets in...America is doomed for more libetard madness and chaos.
Anonymous said…
I agree with Unknown and ask: why isn't that response signed?
Unknown said…
Can't help but wonder why the blowhard that wrote the "detailed" response chose not to sign his/her name? True liberal nonsense. Riding of the tails of others. Does not have a single thought of his/her own but is sure to chop down someone else's opinions -- and excellent ones at that........Sign me NOT a democrat ANYMORE!
Linda Brucks
Anonymous said…
I think that Ken based on a simple style on reality tells the essence of the problem in America, its words it synthesizes the truth without the ideological rhetoric that is used against the article. The truth is that America is under the threat of non-democratic and hypocritical forces called "progressives," is what we all see on the street and on television. The common citizen is manipulated by the Media that is Left.
From 2010 to 2017 this "process" (as writes Ken) has become increasingly virulent and aggressive, as debt grows and ideologies clash perversely for power. Without a doubt, some would like to see the United States become a waste land dominated by The totalitarian international elites.THE IS THE SENSE OF THE PROCESS and the objective is the lynching of the opposite side, in the fascist and communist way.Good article Ken.
Simon Bisbal
Unknown said…
In my humble opinion, both the original article and rebuttal are lopsided opinions. I celebrate that we all have the freedom to share those opinions with those who would listen. What I WORRY most about, however, is that so many Americans are reactionary - NO MATTER WHICH SIDE THEY'RE ON! Perhaps it is best to always make our own decisions for ourselves.

I believe it is important to look at the multiple sides of issues. Unfortunately, I do believe most politicians have little time or even power to be able to discuss and act openly in a rational manner. Whose fault is that? Ours, theirs, the media, stupid people who shouldn't (and mostly don't) vote, the block of people who do consistently vote (the retired)?

As a teacher both in an inner-city school district and an excellent (and, yes, suburban) public school district, I find my greatest challenge is to redirect 9th graders to think for themselves. This requires that they be able to understand the original argument, look for differences, analyze the different viewpoints, internalize the entire process while remaining objective, and make a personal choice. So many adults cannot do this! Whose fault is that? Their teachers or parents? Maybe it's their own fault, a choice they made to be reactional adults.

Yet that is what we must all fight against: reactionism.

I do hope the author doesn't believe he has been completely open-minded in this response. It is, most definitely, an excellent example of providing a different viewpoint. Each of us must decide which, or that neither, are correct. We do this only as rational human beings. Let us fight on!
Scottydubs said…
My questions is, why was a rebuttal even needed to this opinion piece? Why do liberals always have to rebutt what us conservatives have to say? It is like they are always trying to change our minds and tell us we are wrong. It seems very condescending to me. Just let someone have a conservative point of view and write your own Damn article .Geez .
Humble said…
Listen stop trying to downplay generational wealth that was stolen after all that hard work on the land by sharecroppers of poor whites and black labor. Plantation aristocracy was the reason for the civil war and also the reason poor whites began resenting black presence cause KKK groups and etc.... also specifically using tactics to keep minorities in certain areas with poor resources educationally, medically, economically etc. I agree with Christianity being put down which is not right and a worldly agenda also I can agree with the convict thing and killing fetuses (unless it was a raped woman ). The immigrant thing I don’t know.... but I have to agree you can’t suppress a group of people forever, strip them of equal resource opportunity after destroying physically towns like Tulsa, rosewood And Auburn Avenue Atlanta then claim they’re lazy. Don’t subject a group forcefully and systematically with your majority numbers of people and then get mad at them for not liking you until you prove you aren’t like the majority of your forefathers..... that’s just common sense it’s like approaching a family of bears in the wilderness or deers and not expecting them to be defensive after you’ve hunted them forever making clothes out of them... come on
Unknown said…
Wow, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how you responded to these statements. It kind of makes me irritated. And yet I have to admit that your retort was somewhat realistic and reasonable. I'm not happy with the way we, as a country, are acting, but like you said-vote. I must admit that although this is the fallback answer, and true in ways, it seems less productive and beneficial as I'd hoped it would/should be. Our votes seem to placate our feeling of civic duty, but rarely seem to actually effect the way we would like to see things changed. Our elected seem to neither vote the way they see fit, or firmly align themselves with their party regardless of the constituents or voters wishes. Thank you for a response that made me think though!
Middleground said…
You agreed with over half the comments. Welcome to the team! You are now proclaimed a non idiot..
Anonymous said…
As a conservative a lot of what Mr Huber said I agree with. However, I appreciate the thoughtful and respectful rebuttal as it was not done in sarcasm or from a mean spirited mindset. I wish that more people could be mature enough to discuss political differences the way or this blogger.

With that said, I wish conservatives would stop wishing for the good ole days. The good ole days were not all that good. Look at the great wars and depressions and lack of civil rights for anybody that was not a white Protestant male. We need to look forward and build a nation that can be the best nation in the world. We never should forget history but we should not live our lives in the past. How can we build a better future for our children and future generations? That should be our motivation.
Unknown said…
Definition if IRONY:

PEOPLE WHO
GOOSE-STEP
EXPECT EVERYBODY ELSE
TO WALK ON EGGSHELLS
Unknown said…
Rejoice in good news
Remember El Nino only comes every four years cicadas come every 13
Locusts can be eaten
Bonds can be broken but so can chains
Metal rusts and even bullets can melt
Because fires can burn be put out and
Lit again
Just as lessons can be taught be forgotten and be learned again


George W Bush is 72

George Washington is long dead

Donald Rumsfeld is 86

Dick Nixon passed away

Dick Cheney is 78

Ronald Reagan died of Alzimers

George HW Bush served and passed on

Bill Clinton won then lost

Hillary just lost

John Bolton is 70

Micheal Bolton is 65

Donald J Trump went Bankrupt many times over and is 72

Mike Pence is boring

Kings and Queens bore Prince and Princesses

Sons of Tyrants rarely succeed their fathers

But rejoice in these facts above all else:

The children of peasants will always outnumber the so called rich

Any fool can be made wise if they wish

Any great man can be crushed by their own works

But above all else: faith in God can be shaken but Trust in God will never Weaver as long men serve God and God serves all

If you read this then you are alive
And if you live you can out live



IJeff said…
"The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims."

This is absolutely true and I always wonder why it doesn't enrage more people including the author of this blog. For some reason progressives especially seem to have no compassion and concern for real victims but rush to the defense of real criminals.
Anonymous said…
This statement,
African Americans a pass for being racially ignorant, it's because the American double standard has shafted them historically harder than other groups.

Lets see, they were brought here from Africa and once freed they still had a country to go back to if they wanted to.
Now let's take the American Indian's, they had this beautiful country which we call the U.S.A today. The settlers/pioneers came and then war broke out and we killed them and their family's. We took their land and put them on reservations. So they had no country to return to. So I think that they (the American Indians)had it far worst the the African American.
Anonymous said…
So your response in summation to Ken Huber's article is to merely say there are no double standards? Rationalize it any way you want, it won't change the fact that Ken is pointing out what's wrong in our society today and most people can relate to the examples given. There is a right and wrong, trouble is, you can't see it.
Mo said…
I thought the Mr. Huber was spot on! The attempt to dissect the article was a lame idea. If this were a debate,I would say that Mr. Huber wins...hands down. Your rebuttal and comments are obviously biased. America is out of control and the racist narrative is getting tiresome. The double standards and hypocrisy is mind blowing. I'm officially WOKE!
Anonymous said…
The real trouble is the media...lock-step with the dummyocRATS..listen to these haters..and tell me why they lov old fart joe dementia and just hate Donald trump with a passion...they hide the truth before the election and brain wash the regular folks. The left are haters.liars..steal..burn and hat eamerica with a passion.. Always excuse for the media
..that is the real problem
..they can't be fair...mail in voting...knew that would not be fair for us...never had a chance
Unknown said…
You have been indoctrinated by the media and the suppression of the facts. Stopped reading your responses when I was reading about the God and homosexuality differencesto the facts. If you can find the medical magazine Omni Medical Facts dated in 1986 you will be enlighten. Covers gene and society contributions in medical outcomes. Try and get copiesof a newspaper ForYour EyesOnly out of Houston TX. They got shutdown in 1986 for telling the true about the US Government. They got convicted for publishing USA secrets. After goverment declassified then reclassified
Anonymous said…
Whoever the author of this "critique" is, they are disgusting. This is exactly what is going wrong with our country. We are the only country that was founded on the concept that the government should be small, and the people should rule. They screwed that up long ago, but today is a whole different hot mess. I'm saddened, disgusted and heartbroken at what our county has been dealt the last 7 days. Stop with the excuses,exceptions, etc. We are ALL Americans! I don't care what hue your skin has. I do not care what deity you worship. I do not care what your love life looks like. We are "THE PEOPLE" and we have lost our great county. I cry.
John said…
Folks we're in trouble! It took the Dems. 4 years to not get over Hillary's loss. Is it going to take 4 years for the Rep. to get over Trump's loss? We're divided because of our politicians(both sides) not doing what's good for the populace, but what's good for their party. With 150 million voters it's hard to believe half are wrong or maybe right.